Is it not so important because there are no elections or because both groups are marginal?
They are not marginal. After all, 10-15% is a very large number, but they are politically unrepresented. Antiwar Russians, for example, have no representation, no power, no leader who could advance their interests. That is why they are so unheard.
But the ardent supporters of the war are very vocal. They have representation in the form of voenkory, but they are marginal because this representation is not supported by the majority of the country. In other words, antiwar Russians are marginal because they have no voice, while the Z cohort is marginal because they have a voice, but that voice is unpopular.
But voenkory are not elected representatives...
Voenkory are, in a sense, a form of representation. After all, they meet with Putin and can bring various issues to his attention. And if we look at their electoral success at different levels – from the federal Duma to municipal legislatures – that, too, shows the limits of their appeal.
How do these 15% and 15% understand each other’s genesis, each other’s views? Are they capable of dialogue?
I think there might not be any reason for them to talk to each other. Our research shows that there is another important cohort: people who, strictly speaking, do not support the war but do support the changes taking place in Russia.
They say: “we like that we have started thinking more about our homeland, that our economy is growing, that we have a normal country.” These are people who welcome what is going on [in the country], welcome economic change, welcome the Kremlin’s economic policy, though they do not necessarily like the war. They are the so-called “winners” [from the war], the economic beneficiaries of the war, and come from the middle class; in some respects, they are very similar to Navalny’s supporters. They are convinced Russia is seeing economic growth, technological progress, a fight against corruption and a strengthening of the rule of law.
We are talking about IT professionals, creative-sector professionals (for example, highly paid ad directors who now have more government contracts after the departure of Western firms), managers and engineers. Some are connected to the military-industrial complex, but many are not at all.
At the same time, there are people who think that, in principle, things may not be so bad but that their own lives have become worse than before. For some, the changes are for the better; for others, they are for the worse. These groups, for example, have many similarities.
Why are the latter worse off?
Some people in this group suffered from inflation. If we are talking about public-sector employees, the portion of the budget allocated to them has been reduced. These may be business owners engaged in trade with the West. We are talking about very different people.
I know them less well than the “winners,” because we study the latter, while we study the opponents of the war and the “losers” much less.
People with different views learn to understand one another because they all live in the same reality. Their views do not change. For example, people who were and remain antiwar have a firm conviction that everything is bad. They still hold that conviction. But they learn to communicate and establish dialogue with people who are more likely to support the war or more likely to be loyal to the regime.
These people understand they share a common experience. They did not emigrate to the West; they live in a similar world, where funeral notices arrive, where everyone fears mobilization, where everyone fears an escalation of the war, where everyone fears inflation, where no one knows what tomorrow will bring – and, at the same time, where everyone feels some degree of resentment toward those who left the country. And this shared experience pushes them to seek some common ground.