— If Putin believes that Ukrainians are Russians who have gone astray, then why is he killing Ukrainian “Russians?”
— It appears that from his point of view, the “Russian world” is not a physical concept, although it is connected with the lives of real people who speak Russian. After 2014, you could hear the Kremlin argument being voiced everywhere: yes, a huge number of people died or became refugees and cities were destroyed, but the long-term historical goal of all this is for the Russian language to triumph within this territory, so that those who survive will study Pushkin and Russian literature. Therefore, the Russian language triumphs, in spite of the lives of those who speak it. These are the great historical tasks that the “Russian world” sets for itself.
— In your opinion, how will the concept of the “Russian world” develop?
— I think that, first of all, it will involve the concept of revising post-Soviet borders. It remains one of the tasks and has become a very important element of the current state ideology of Russia. That is, Putin can then go to other former Soviet republics and declare that they are part of the “Russian world.” He has said many times that the existence of these countries is, roughly speaking, a gesture of goodwill on the part of Russia. They exist as long as Russia allows them to exist. And if they cross any red lines, the same thing will happen to them that happened to Ukraine.
I think this is a deeply held conviction. And one that is no longer held solely by Putin. It has become the rationalization used by the Russian state. In fact, it is the official principle behind relations with post-Soviet states—that their sovereignty is constantly in question. And this official Russian state position is ideologically justified precisely through the concept of the “Russian world.”
— It turns out that in order for these countries to survive, it is beneficial for them not to support the study of the Russian language and the promotion of Russian culture? Otherwise, “Russian” territories could come to them at any moment and annex them.
For real-world Russian speakers living in post-Soviet countries, the concept of the “Russian world” requires them to make a political choice: you cannot remain a Russian-speaking person and be neutral towards the Russian state and what it does. And if the choice is not made in favor of the Russian state, then these people must completely reconsider their identity.
In general, the concept of the “Russian world” turns the bearers of Russian culture in post-Soviet countries, regardless of their desire, into a “fifth column.” Putin’s Russia almost directly states that sooner or later, it will use this fifth column. Naturally, this positioning leads various post-Soviet states to try to reduce the presence of the Russian language and Russian culture, because this presence is considered a threat to national security. And the policies and rhetoric of the Russian state directly confirm these fears.