You said Trump’s recent rhetorical shift is attributable to his desire to put pressure on Russia. Do you think the same applies to his statement after meeting with Volodymyr Zelensky that Ukraine could win back some of its territory?
I think this is also part of Trump’s effort to, as he would say, gain leverage over Russia to persuade it to sit down in good faith at the negotiating table and reach a settlement. It is noteworthy that even the Ukrainians now admit that, in their view, they do not have the resources to liberate the [occupied] territories militarily. I think most European leaders share this position. What Kyiv can realistically hope for is to freeze the line of contact, acknowledge that Russia will occupy part of the territory Kyiv considers its own and postpone a final resolution of that territorial dispute.
I have not seen anything to indicate that the Trump administration has changed its position regarding the territories. Trump is saying this to make clear that he is ready to provide Ukraine with greater rhetorical support and supply weapons on the condition that NATO countries purchase those weapons and transfer them to Ukraine. By doing so, he is essentially saying the conflict will continue for some time and since its continuation is, from an objective point of view, bad for both Ukraine and Russia, it really is time to sit down at the negotiating table and try to resolve it.
Judging by statements coming out of Washington, the US administration still believes this conflict can be resolved by the end of the year or by Christmas. Do you consider this realistic, given the situation on the battlefield and the positions of both sides?
You can never know for sure, but things can happen quite quickly. In my view, the outlines of a settlement are already visible. It is abundantly clear that Ukraine will not join NATO. It is also clear that Ukraine will not drive Russia out of the territories it has acquired over the past three and a half years. The issue of discrimination against ethnic Russians and Russian speakers is close to being resolved. For Ukraine, the short-term goal is to preserve its sovereignty and independence within the territory controlled by Kyiv, and that, too, can be addressed through negotiations.
The key issue that needs to be resolved is Ukraine’s military. Putin has repeatedly spoken about demilitarizing Ukraine. However, Kyiv will insist that even with a neutral status, Ukraine cannot be completely demilitarized; it must be able to defend itself in the event of an attack. The Ukrainians, of course, mean aggression from Russia. But theoretically, Ukraine could face other threats in the future – whether from the Black Sea region or, for example, the Balkans. This issue must be resolved somehow. Again, I think there are ways to do this at the negotiating table, but that will not happen until the parties actually sit down.
Resolving the conflict in Ukraine is not a matter of signing a single document. The Ukraine issue is part of a broader question of European security. Resolving these interconnected issues will take time. Therefore, I propose that the parties agree on what could be called a framework agreement. It would define the basic principles and parameters of a future settlement, and the sides would agree that as soon as such a framework is reached, a ceasefire will come into effect and negotiations will immediately begin on all aspects that must be resolved to end the war and stabilize relations between Russia and the West in Europe.
Negotiations would proceed along several parallel tracks. Naturally, a separate channel between Russia and Ukraine will be needed to address issues such as prisoner swaps and other humanitarian aspects of the conflict. A Moscow-Washington line of communication will also be necessary to discuss broader issues of European security and strategic stability. And it is abundantly clear that without the participation of the Europeans themselves, in one form or another, it will be impossible to discuss European security. These issues are extremely complicated and cannot be resolved overnight, nor is there any need for that – they can be tackled gradually.
Specific agreements and solutions to individual problems will emerge over time. We should see this not as a one-time event, like the signing of a single peace treaty, but as a process of building new relations in Europe – new relations between Russia and the West.
If the contours of a future settlement are already visible, what, in your view, is the main obstacle?
I believe the main obstacle in the negotiations and perhaps the toughest issue of all is the status of the part of Ukraine that will remain under Kyiv’s control after the ceasefire. It seems clear that the Kremlin wants to see Ukraine loyal to Moscow, within its sphere of influence. At the same time, Ukraine and Europe are striving for a Ukraine facing Europe and the Euro-Atlantic community.
This issue essentially boils down to military potential and demilitarization. What size army does Ukraine need so that Moscow does not perceive it as a threat? It is a dilemma.
I see a possible solution, but I am not sure it can be agreed upon within a dialogue between Kyiv and Moscow alone. I believe it will emerge through broader discussions about the future architecture of European security. The restrictions Moscow would like to impose on Ukraine’s armed forces should become part of a larger agreement on border stabilization between Russia and the West – and they should be reciprocal.
To draw an analogy, this could resemble the Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe (CFE), adapted to current realities. After all, the CFE was established precisely to minimize the risk of miscalculation and reduce the sense of threat each side felt from the other. In this way, I believe, we could resolve the issue of Ukraine’s army size. There is no doubt that Ukraine must have the ability to defend itself. But, as I said, the question is what its quantitative and qualitative parameters should be so that Moscow does not perceive Ukraine’s actions – and especially possible joint actions with European countries and the US – as a threat.
We are seeing discussions about sending peacekeeping forces to Ukraine from some Western countries. More than 20 countries have expressed a willingness to do so, but Russia is categorically opposed. What are the possible alternatives?
Ukraine’s own armed forces. I do not believe in Ukraine joining NATO. The US administration is against it. Several other members of the alliance do not support it either. I also believe that the history of the past 25 years clearly shows that most NATO members would be uneasy about providing Ukraine with firm guarantees under Article 5 on collective defense in the event of a possible attack by Russia. It seems they do not want to take on that commitment.
Thus, the solution I see is a model of “armed neutrality”: Ukraine builds up its defense capabilities, modernizes and develops its own military-industrial complex to supply its army with the necessary weapons. It is precisely this capacity to defend itself that will serve as the main deterrent in the geopolitical realities in which Ukraine finds itself.
Monitoring the ceasefire line will be part of a larger task – stabilizing the entire border between Russia and the West. Ending the conflict in Ukraine would essentially fill the last, missing section of this line, which now stretches from the Barents Sea to the Black Sea. The same mechanisms used to ensure stability along this line in Finland or the Black Sea region would be applied to the section that runs through Ukrainian territory.
Russia insists that security guarantees should be mutual – that it should receive them too. How, in your view, could this look in practice?
Ukraine’s neutral status and certain agreements on NATO’s role in Europe. First, de facto further NATO expansion eastward, closer to Russia’s borders, would not occur. I find it hard to imagine a scenario in which Belarus would become a NATO candidate, and, frankly, the three Transcaucasian states as well. This requires formal recognition, which would significantly help allay Moscow’s concerns. And if it becomes clear that NATO as a whole is not ready for such a step in the foreseeable future, I do believe it is possible to obtain commitments from the US and several other member countries that they will not support further expansion eastward. Since NATO operates based on consensus, this means the alliance will not expand. That is one component of security guarantees for Russia.
Then will come negotiations on how to stabilize the line between Russia and the West and between Russia and NATO. It is hoped that these will lead to the creation of mechanisms like those discussed at the very end of the Cold War – to increase transparency and impose limits on the types of military units and heavy weapons that may be deployed within a certain distance of the border. This should also address Moscow’s concerns. Ultimately, then, we are talking about a settlement that provides security guarantees both to Ukraine and to Russia and becomes the cornerstone of a larger security architecture on the European continent for many years to come.
Bilateral Russia-Ukraine negotiations, judging by the latest information, are currently suspended, despite Russia’s proposal to create three separate expert groups. In your view, how effective could such an approach be? How could the level of negotiating groups be raised?
I recognize the need for a platform for negotiations between Ukraine and Russia on this conflict. Still, I believe that the greatest results on the bilateral track can only be achieved by focusing on humanitarian issues. As for economic and especially military issues, their real resolution is only possible in the context of a broader discussion on the European security architecture. Thus, without at least a fully-fledged channel between Moscow and Washington for addressing these issues, the Russia-Ukraine dialogue on them is unlikely to make progress.
Ukraine, understandably, does not believe it can ensure its security without a broader agreement on the role of Europe and the US. That is an objective reality. The same likely applies to the economic bloc, especially given Kyiv’s course toward joining the EU. Consequently, dialogue between Moscow and Washington is critical. At the next stage, I believe, the Europeans will also need to be involved. In the absence of such a multilevel system, the potential for purely bilateral Russia-Ukraine consultations remains very limited.